In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I feel your pain like my own. No matter what I do, I am always outnumbered by the ignoramus in the family. It is like bashing one’s head on a brick wall.

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Regarding complexity budget, slow software, all that:

Very few people do take pride in building simple, elegant, high-quality systems, do they? Why is that? Why are huge shiny things with tons of features more attractive? 🤔

I never explicitly thought about this, to be honest. It was only at the back of my head. And I never tried to teach our younger “students” at work: “Hey, it’s a great achievement to build something simple and elegant. That’s something to be proud of!”

Worse, simple software is often described as “boring”. Yes, in a way, it is boring, because your brain doesn’t have to get into overdrive to understand it. But that’s exactly the point. And it’s hard to achieve that! Simple software isn’t just “fewer lines of code”, you have to be pretty clever to solve a problem in a simple and elegant way. So it’s something to be proud of.

Could this be an intuitive, emotional way to get more people on board the “simple software”-train? 🤔

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In-reply-to » We desperately need to start a Slow Software movement. High quality, intentionally designed, low defect software done at a quarter of the pace for the same price. Because we've been destroying the mental health of developers for the last quarter century, and what do we have to show for it but a giant mess?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, you’re right. The quality aspect is lacking, too. Sigh. 😅

Focus on quality, focus on “doing it right”, make that your primary goal. And everything else shall fall into place.

If it only were that simple. 🫤😅

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, it’s hard(er) with family members. I shouldn’t have started that Matrix stuff – before that, they had an easier time accepting that I don’t use WhatsApp. Now it’s more like “why don’t you switch?”

“Joy of missing out”, eh? :D

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Kind of a good perspective really 👌

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Oh dear, people who have to always get an answer immediately have all sorts of issues. :-( They’re dead losses.

I will not use WhatsApp in a million years. It’s not worth it. Might be trickier with family members, but I also refuse to use such stuff. It definitely degrades some friends to aquaintances, but oh well. If I don’t know what I’m “missing out” on, then I simply cannot miss it. On the positive side, it frees my time for other things. :-)

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In-reply-to » We desperately need to start a Slow Software movement. High quality, intentionally designed, low defect software done at a quarter of the pace for the same price. Because we've been destroying the mental health of developers for the last quarter century, and what do we have to show for it but a giant mess?

@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I agree, slow with decent quality and simplicity would be my thing 💪

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In-reply-to » We desperately need to start a Slow Software movement. High quality, intentionally designed, low defect software done at a quarter of the pace for the same price. Because we've been destroying the mental health of developers for the last quarter century, and what do we have to show for it but a giant mess?

@movq@www.uninformativ.de @prologic@twtxt.net Just slowly creating software is not enough. It doesn’t cut it. The focus has to be on quality. I see suuuper slow progress in a project, but the quality still totally sucks balls.

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de I think it’s a good choice, better than anything else to be honest.

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@prologic I’ll look into it. 🤔 The good thing is that I think some people already use Signal. We’ll see.

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Don’t give up.

What about Signal? I’m had great success with this, friends, family, neighboards. They get it. It works. I don’t have to worry about it too much.

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In-reply-to » I don’t run a bug tracker, instead all my projects link to this page:

@movq@www.uninformativ.de Yeah, my software is definitely completely irrelevant to everyone else.

I don’t send my bank or insurance company any bug report e-mails or the like. I’m talking about mailing software developers or projects. On a side note, though, I’ve seen lot of (German) companies use GMail & other terrible mail providers. My former employer fell also in this category (so does my current one, but at least I receive all e-mails).

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In-reply-to » The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

If WhatsApp was just a messenger, I probably wouldn’t be so reluctant to join. But it’s an app that insists on running on a smartphone. It has access to so much metadata … Fuck this shit. 🫤

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The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

I’ll probably shut it down.

Nobody cares about privacy. The reasons I bring up in discussions are “too nerdy”. They put all their stuff to Google or Apple, so why would messaging be any different? (We’re not even using all those Matrix crypto stuff … That would be insane.)

It’s a lost cause. I’m frustrated.

Will I give in and use WhatsApp instead? Not sure yet.

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@xuu@txt.sour.is I have a theory as to why your pod was misbehaving too. I think because of the way you were building it docker build without any --build-arg VERSION= or --build-arg COMMIT= there was no version information in the built binary and bundled assets. Therefore cache busting would not work as expected. When introducing htmx and hyperscript to create a UI/UX SPA-like experience, this is when things fell apart a bit for you. I think….

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In-reply-to » @prologic Hmm, yeah, hmm, I’m not sure. 😅 It all appears very subjective to me. Is 2k lines of code a lot or not?

@xuu@txt.sour.is I think you’re onto something here. I tend to agree that there are different measures of complexity to apply to different things. The only downside I see here is we start to get into the realms of hierarchy and bureaucracy right, as a means to “simplify” the complexity, or abstract it away. I mean we tend to do this in software too, hide the complexity in an abstraction. The problem with this is this also becomes a measure of “complexity” too right and can potentially suffer from a point where it has become “too complex”.

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